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middi said:
This is an interesting point you make :wink: :lol:
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This is an interesting point you make :wink: :lol:
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In order to draw attention to their greivances, many aggrieved Londoners were on the streets. How come the state only provides us with free social housing, generous benefits for our single parent households, free education in a newly built school with teachers who let us do as we like, free healthcare and a softly softly police force. Where are the free designer trainers? Where are the taxpayer funded wide screen TV? How dare the state deny us these!
If the riots had a political message, this was it. Or perhaps there wasn't really any message at all.
If the riots had a political message, this was it. Or perhaps there wasn't really any message at all.
Another person in court today....a university graduate and social worker.....hardly the 'disenfranchised', 'poorly educated', 'no opportunities' stereotype we heard about. Let's wait and see what the results are....but I suspect that many of these people have jobs, have education and prospects so this "cry for help" excuse is just a poor attempt by those on the far left not to face up to the fact that some people are simply 'bad'
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Why is it so surprising?Pford75 said:
When MPs are caught fiddling expenses that could buy the shop let alone a tv and bankers are still paying themselves bonuses in the billions.
Greed and selfishness is widespread throughout "society" and much of it is at the top.
http://nathanieltapley.com/2011/08/10/an-open-letter-to-david-camerons-parents/
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I expect it's quite exciting to be taking part in a riot. Probably the same sort of thrill that other classes of folk get when playing the tables at Monte Carlo, racing ocean going yachts, driving racing cars or riding in a fox-hunt. The youths of Tottenham probably don't get many opportunities for such pursuits.
Some of us find that wondering whether some lime mortar is going to harden quite thrilling enough, but then it takes all sorts to make a world.
Some of us find that wondering whether some lime mortar is going to harden quite thrilling enough, but then it takes all sorts to make a world.
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I can't do any of those so it's ok for me to go rioting, looting, running people over and killing them so I can have a thrill?
I agree with Biff's comment "... It takes all sorts....".
Unfortunately some "sorts" don't understand S^*T, the only way get the message across is a fast response in the deployment of muck spreaders instead of riot shields or water cannons. ( .......NO S^*T....., as most of them would put it , and go home ).
Middi
Unfortunately some "sorts" don't understand S^*T, the only way get the message across is a fast response in the deployment of muck spreaders instead of riot shields or water cannons. ( .......NO S^*T....., as most of them would put it , and go home ).
Middi
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Nonsense. You are perfectly capable of watching lime mortar harden and for a real thrill try watching real linseed oil paint dry. If you get your mates round they can help pick off the flies that get stuck.skier-hughes said:
Great piece in the Torygraph: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/p...r-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/
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you're right, I have to wait for my thrills when the colder weather comes and work resumes on the house........ in the mean time I give everyone else a thrill with my naked gardening
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Lime said:
While I'm hardly the biggest fan of bankers and MPs (I posted that link a couple of pages back), it's a question of degree isn't it? I don't know how to equate a life with money but I'd certainly rather be the 'victim' of MPs fiddling their expenses or bankers getting large bonuses than have my business/home torched or being murdered by a rioting mob.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14500869
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14498021
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I'd rather we had none, but bankers bonuses are quite legal, if morally upsetting at this time of financial hardship.
Featherstone Youth for Change launched their Featherstone Community Aid project yesterday, signing up 34 older people to a database of vulnerable people in the village whom they will call on during times of bad weather to check they are ok, fetch essential shopping, prescriptions, walk dogs or clear driveways so they can get out.
Featherstone Youth for Change launched their Featherstone Community Aid project yesterday, signing up 34 older people to a database of vulnerable people in the village whom they will call on during times of bad weather to check they are ok, fetch essential shopping, prescriptions, walk dogs or clear driveways so they can get out.
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That's because it was bankers and their friends who made the laws allowing usury. It could have been different. I don't suppose the haul of trainers, mobiles and booze added up to the value of one banker's bonus. (Shame about all the collateral damage to period property.)skier-hughes said:
Never any excuse for killing people of course, either on our streets or the streets of Afghanistan.
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Oh dear, so here we are, eight days after the event and now the police admit they 'may have misled journalists'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14510329
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14510329
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Successful bankers always have and always will make a great deal of money, such is the nature of their business. They always have and always will be resented for it. In the past most bankers were Jews (they were not constrained by Christian and Islamic principles on usury) so that made it doubly OK to hate them.
Banks play an essential role in a free market economy - the most successful type of economy yet devised to raise the living standards of the poor as well as the rich - so rich bankers are inevitable and necessary, however unpalatable that might be and however vulgarly they may flaunt their riches. What is problematic is rewarding unsuccessful bankers.
Banks in the past - especially the merchant banks - were usually unlimited partnerships. If the bank went bust the owners, who were also the senior managers, lost everything. This link has largely been lost in today's huge and vastly complex corporate investment banks. Dealers and traders can make fortunes and move on before their positions unravel and cause their employers and customers vast losses. If the banks get too big to fail and get bailed out the government, noone but the poor taxpayer takes the rap and the parallels with rioters getting away with their bad behaviour will inevitably start to be drawn.
Banks play an essential role in a free market economy - the most successful type of economy yet devised to raise the living standards of the poor as well as the rich - so rich bankers are inevitable and necessary, however unpalatable that might be and however vulgarly they may flaunt their riches. What is problematic is rewarding unsuccessful bankers.
Banks in the past - especially the merchant banks - were usually unlimited partnerships. If the bank went bust the owners, who were also the senior managers, lost everything. This link has largely been lost in today's huge and vastly complex corporate investment banks. Dealers and traders can make fortunes and move on before their positions unravel and cause their employers and customers vast losses. If the banks get too big to fail and get bailed out the government, noone but the poor taxpayer takes the rap and the parallels with rioters getting away with their bad behaviour will inevitably start to be drawn.
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This Duggan story is pretty old news now Biff although I suspect there is a lot more to come, especially as Duggan's gangland associations are examined more closely.
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biffvernon said:
Why are you blaming the police when it quite clearly states in your article it was the IPCC
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Yes, quite legal, who made the law is irrelavent if it is the law.
Or are you saying that the mindless few who looted everywhere just made up their own law and that is perfectly fine, because I'm afraid it isn't. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.
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And those who say that the looters have jobs which do not give self-esteem, security, a place in society nor hope for the future......... well I wouldn't mind being an Olympics Ambassadeur
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Olympic-Ambassador-Chelsea-Ives-charged-for-London-rioting/articleshow/9580513.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Olympic-Ambassador-Chelsea-Ives-charged-for-London-rioting/articleshow/9580513.cms
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biffvernon said:
I bet bankers buy a lot more lovely handmade windows than benefits claimants do.