Rewiring Costs

[Nemesis]

I've just read over a 'third party objection' I made yesterday to a public inquiry. It was written under pressure and with a tight deadline, along with a million and one other reports/letters/objections etc etc I have to do.

Although the information it contained - along with quotes of national policy - was, I hope, correct, in re-reading it this morning after some sleep and with a fresh eye and brain I realise that there are things I could have written differently, that I repeat the same phrase, that sentence construction could have been more elegant. Maybe others are writing here under time pressure, or maybe they simply don't always have the ability to write well.

I have a friend who is highly intelligent but who struggles to write anything terribly coherently. It happens. People can't always help it. I struggle with maths. Pointing out any perceived inadequacies in public or indeed private to people may just blight their day you know. They may be very, very upset, I know I would be.

 

[CHRIS]

Moo

You are right, I should have previewed it first!!! I was writing in a hurry before the workers turned up.

Nemesis I am one of these people who have a Land surveying and Geodesy Masters degree (Hideous maths) and struggle with the same problem as your friend. but anyway it did not blight my day I get much more grief every working day where I work.

Thanks for the concern anyway.

Whilst writing this my new 24inch monitor has just turned up so my day is even better so I am off to play with my wires

 

[Nemesis]

No I don't think it's right. It's dreadful. It's bad manners, IMHO. Some people struggle to write and I just wonder what they think when they get messages telling them to go away and do it again.

It makes me feel deeply embarrassed and I don't want to feel that way. It also makes me wonder how many may be put off asking things which might just help stop a period building being damaged in some way.

If only those who can craft elegant prose, perfectly punctuated, are allowed to post on here that will whittle the numbers down to even fewer than are posting now.

 

[Flyfisher]

Sorry to break up the English lesson . . . .

I have a natural dislike of things being thrust upon me for my own good (so called) without good reasons being given.

And quite right too! I would say a healthy scepticism of anything that our government suggests is the only sensible way to behave.

There does seem to be an almost fascist attitude taken to questions about eco solutions which, once again in my view, does them no credit at all.

Yes, I think it has similarities with any discussion about immigration, where it seemingly can't be discussed without the racism card being played. Anything that stifles debate is very dangerous indeed.

I wonder how many more people have been born in the world while you have been reading this post?
In my opinion that is what we should all be worried about.

I believe this point is so fundamental that it shouldn't be downplayed by using a small font.
Perhaps you meant to use this size ? :wink:

 

[Nemesis]

Letter in Groan today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,,2035145,00.html

I see my local authority, despite all the objections, is recommending a windfarm in Ridsdale.

The first of many I feel...

http://www.amec.com/wind/2ndlevel.asp?pageid=8217

http://www.nandnsociety.org.uk/windfarm_summary.htm


I suspect that tourism will be affected.



Chris - it's a general point, some never return to post again... I wonder what they think of we conservationists? I spend a great deal of time trying to break the stereotype of public school toffee nosed out of touch tw*ts (supply own vowel) trying to prevent progress as I know do others and it does the cause no good at all to be picky about people's ability with the language. Let's try to show a love of old buildings and a concern for the planet isn't only for the elite.

For all I know some may have English as a second or third language, if so it's better than wot I can do.

 

[Me!]

However, about a year ago I found some Phillips compact fluorescent bulbs which have a very nice, slightly yellow light colour. They are the cheap design with the 3 or 4 U tubes depending on the power output, and when I bought them from Morrisons they were on a special offer with two for £1. Unfortunately, my local Morrisons doesn't sell them any more, but I have seen them recently in Homebase but for more money.
I have no connection with either Phillips or the lighting industry, and I was a complete sceptic before I tried these bulbs, but I now have them virtually everywhere in the house.

Just to add to this that Morrisons in Diss in Norfolk have got these back again on special offer. They are 99p for two bulbs, either 18W or 11W (100W or 60W equivalent), bayonet or ES fitting. I haven't tried the latest batch, but they appear to be the same as last time, which as I said earlier have a very nice light colour rather than some which are very harsh. I should also add that the U tubes are much shorter than on some cheap bulbs, and so they do not stick out of the ends of my lampshades!

 

[NT]

Nemesis:
NT wrote:

>>> This article is quite illuminating

>> Unfortunately it is too riddled with errors to be of much value.

> Surely it would be of more value to actually point out the errors

Yes, but there are so many that it would take time. If people want I might do that.


NT

 

[NT]

This explains the electrical energy figures for CFLs:
http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=CFL_Lamps

This explains, but does not quantify, the energy & life savings of CFLs due to reduced fire risk:
http://www.greendoug.com/viewtopic.php?t=7&sid=45f98bcc7b73535a7fc96b88c6c471a9

This indirectly explains how much energy is used to get you a CFL:
http://www.greendoug.com/viewtopic.php?t=2&sid=45f98bcc7b73535a7fc96b88c6c471a9


NT

 

[NT]

> I have noticed that several shops locally have done
> the same thing, so that where there was once a
> fluorescent lamp five foot long there are now several
> litlle bulbs in it's place.
>
> Isn't this absolute madness?

Why is it madness to reduce energy costs? Linear fl is no longer the lighting of choice for commercial premises.


NT

 

[Flyfisher]

Er, from the wiki reference in your previous post:

When not to use CFLs . . .
To replace linear fluorescent lights
CFLs work fine in place of linear fluorescent, but are not as energy efficient as them, so replacement will not yield any money or energy saving. Linear fluorescent are the most energy efficient type of lighting normally used in homes.

 

[NT]

Shops dont replace linears with CFL, they replace them with U shaped folded fluorescent with higher energy efficiency.


NT

 

[sidd]

My fave bulbs are Kosnic 2-part spirals. Most people don't read the small print because they never had to with incandescent light bulbs: basically they all had the same life and light for a given wattage.

Kosnics last for 10,000 hours (most are 5-8000) and the warm version has a nice light.

They are quite efficient. 1015 lumens/18w. I've seen an 18w CFL which only produces 350 lumens.

You can replace just the bulb instead of all the elecronics.

Cost is low end, but not the lowest, but given the above, I think they are very good value.

 

[Moo]

That sounds interesting. Where do they sell them?

 

[sidd]

Google has a few places listed. I got some off ebay (but I got the daylight version by mistake, and the guy offered to swap them for warm), and some green shop. I can't remember where. They look OK at http://www.doctorenergy.co.uk.

Basically while the public doesn't know one from another, there will be a lot of rip offs out there. I would never ever buy one unless they state what the lumen output is.

 

[Moo]

Thanks, Sidd.

 

[Penners]

Can anyone recommend an energy saving GU10 bulb, with a warm-white light? And where to buy?

 

[NT]

You wont get much light output, there just isnt the room for much cfl in such a small space.

You'd need aux lighting to make up the shortfall.


NT

 

[tony]

Try the BLT website in the uk for cfl's in gu10 form.

Ive got 7 in my kitchen rated at 11 watts each replacing the 50 watt versions that came with the fitting.

As previous posters have said light output not as high, but a good bit cheaper too run

on the really dark days i switch on the 3 20watt flourscent under pelmet lights for a boost.

regards

tony

 

[Penners]

Thanks NT and Tony.

Are you saying that an 11W low energy bulb (nominally the same as a 50W GU10 Halogen) won't give as much light as the halogen?

If so, that's a bummer. We've got twelve GU10 halogen spots in our kitchen, and while the light level is OK I wouldn't want to lose any of it.

 

[tony]

light ouput a lot lower, I measured the lux levels and they were no way close.

I also measured the lux level output of a standard 11w cfl and this was no where near the same as the normal lamp.

regards

tony