Dale farm apply to English Heritage for listing

[Penners]

Oooh!,could he do some for me for that?

I'm sure he could (although I give no undertaking on his behalf about the cost). Biff is a window-maker.

 

[philpjuk100]

I'm sure he could (although I give no undertaking on his behalf about the cost). Biff is a window-maker.[/quote]

I know! that was what my post was about!

 

[biffvernon]

No...the difference is that they applied for retrospective PP and got it..whereas those at Dale Farm did not. Pretty simple really.

To be more accurate, they granted themselves retrospective planning consent. You can only do that if you are a planning authority!

 

[robgil]

I best get my daughter to apply for planning for her latest development before the council throw her out of her garden onto the street then have her arrested. :lol:

 

[Penners]

Go girl!

 

[robgil]

Shes dug her self in and she aint moving!

 

[Penners]

Teddy has a pretty determined look on his face, too.

 

[robgil]

Thats Big Brown Bear, Teddy spent the day in bed.

 

[biffvernon]

England this morning.

 

[Flyfisher]

England this morning.

Now that's not entirely correct is it? It's just Dale Farm. You'll be exaggerating the effects of climate change next. :wink:

 

[robgil]

All that for some women, kids and old people who just want to be left alone. Thats justice for you.

 

[Penners]

Unfortunately, they want to be left alone on land which does not have planning permission for their residential use of it.

And the "all this" is an understandable response to the fortress they have created, in order to prevent the law of the land from being enforced.

 

[skier-hughes]

All that for some women, kids and old people who just want to be left alone. Thats justice for you.

You forgot all the able fit adult white males who were quite plainly seen attacking the police this morning, throwing things, fighting etc. This is how you'd like to be treated when you went to work, or would you rather the police protected you from it?

 

[biffvernon]

... on land which does not have planning permission for their residential use ...

Tesco recently built twice the number of flats above store in Margate highstreet they had permission for. Yet no evictions.

 

[robgil]

All that for some women, kids and old people who just want to be left alone. Thats justice for you.

You forgot all the able fit adult white males who were quite plainly seen attacking the police this morning, throwing things, fighting etc. This is how you'd like to be treated when you went to work, or would you rather the police protected you from it?

In all fairness if someone in riot gear tried to put my family off our land and onto the street they would quite possibly be met with the same response.
I'm not saying breaking the law is a good thing to do , but laws can be bent from time to time , as we seen with the people in Wales.
But I suppose you have to give the tax payers what they want.

Now that these familys are out on the street and homeless where do you thin k they will go? I would hazard a guess to another illegal halting site, problem solved?

 

[Penners]

... on land which does not have planning permission for their residential use ...

Tesco recently built twice the number of flats above store in Margate highstreet they had permission for. Yet no evictions.

Quite right, too. It would be rough justice to evict the tenants, who are not responsible for Tesco's wrongdoing. It's a completely different situation.

But to address your (presumably) intended point, citing other infringements of the planning laws doesn't make the Dale Farm infringement right.

 

[robgil]

It doesnt make the law fair either Penners.

 

[Penners]

So do I understand, Rob, that you would repeal the planning laws and allow anyone to live wherever they liked, in whatever structure they liked?

 

[robgil]

No , of course not , however I couldn't be heartless enough to throw an entire community out on the street either.
A community that in reality were not really doing any harm to any one and simply wanted to stay on their own land.
They may have broken the law but what real harm were they doing?

 

[Flyfisher]

Nobody is being thrown out onto the street, except by their own choice:

Basildon Council leader Tony Ball . . . . said that "alternative bricks and mortar accommodation" offered to the travellers had been turned down.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15376116

As for the harm, there is such a thing as precedent.

Frankly, I think the real disgrace is the way this whole mess has been allowed to build up over 10 years or so. Hertfordshire Council seem to deal with such things rather better: http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/Hertfordshire/Birch-Green-traveller-freed-by-judge-06102011.htm

I realise it's not exactly the same situation but the point is to quickly deal with any illegality so that things don't get out of hand as at Dale farm.