Wallpaper

[JoceAndChris]

Thanks Nigel! That's fascinating!

 

[AMc]

I don't need to know, but my curiosity has been peeked
What about wall paper paste? Are there a modern plastic and traditional breathable ones or are all pastes created equal in terms of vapour resistance?

 

[Jon Maine]

I don't need to know, but my curiosity has been peeked
What about wall paper paste? Are there a modern plastic and traditional breathable ones or are all pastes created equal in terms of vapour resistance?

Yes a good question, not that I have done much wallpapering and dont know the answer but I guess we should size it up ! :lol:

 

[Penners]

I guess we should size it up !

Groan...! :roll:

 

[Moo]

In the days before Polycell, my grandad made his wallpaper paste with flour and water; it needed great skill and patience to make it without lumps.

 

[Jon Maine]

In the days before Polycell, my grandad made his wallpaper paste with flour and water; it needed great skill and patience to make it without lumps.

We did something like that in boy scouts a bit stiffer I imagine stuck it on the end of a stick heated it over a fire until black on the outside and then ate it with jam. :wink:

 

[michael]

Thanks Nigel for your interesting answer
We’re always told that we should only use lime wash or distempers on lime plastered walls (particularly on the internal face of exterior walls) rather than plastic paints or acrylic emulsions which prevent a wall from breathing. If a wall has to be allowed to breath then this suggests to me that it could contain moisture that needs to be allowed to safely evaporate away through the lime/limewash. I’ve always assumed that paper and moisture don’t mix i.e. I would have expected the paper to eventually peel off the wall and in extreme cases become water stained. Is this a wrong assumption?

 

[JoceAndChris]

I don't need to know, but my curiosity has been peeked
What about wall paper paste? Are there a modern plastic and traditional breathable ones or are all pastes created equal in terms of vapour resistance?

Sorry to revive an old thread, but I'd like to repeat AMc's question - short of whizzing up a flour and water blend in my Magimix is there any other breathable wallpaper paste?

And how about the fungicides in Solvite? Is this a good, or bad, thing for a (marginally) damp wall?

The wall in question is lime plaster + non breathing paint. I'm picking off the non breathing paint in the dampest sections.

 

[ilona73]

have you tried looking here?

http://www.worldsilkroad.com/worldsilkroad.php

Can you remember what magazine it was?

There is also De Gournays they do hand blocked/painted chinoiserie papers too and i know they have featured in country life magazine before now.They have some stunning papers..

http://www.degournay.com

I will have a think on it and see if i can come up with others...

 

[Penners]

how about the fungicides in Solvite? Is this a good, or bad, thing for a (marginally) damp wall?

The wall in question is lime plaster + non breathing paint. I'm picking off the non breathing paint in the dampest sections.

That's a bit of a dilemma. For breathability, flour & water should, I suppose, be your first choice, but I can tell you from experience that damp is not its friend. It can lose adhesion and develop mould under such conditions.

Given that the wall is already painted with a non-breathing paint, which you'll have trouble removing, I think my choice would be to go for a modern wallpaper paste with fungicide.

Actually, I don't know whether such pastes are breathable or not.

 

[JoceAndChris]

Thanks dearest Mr P.

On closer inspection it seems that the lime plaster has been skimmed here and there with something modern. It still retains a wonderfully wonky charm though.

I think given the challenges with breathability that these walls endure, inside and out, a bit of Solvite's not going to make much difference.

And after all, the walls had been wallpapered with Solvite and vinyl paper until yesterday, and neither wallpaper nor wall has visible mould in this room.

 

[Penners]

That's the clincher then.

I'm off to buy shares in Solvite.

 

[ilona73]

Here is a list of manufacturers and their websites of producers of chinoiserie Wallpaper


http://www.wallpaperinstaller.com/chinoiserie_wallpaper.html

 

[ilona73]

Here is a list of manufacturers and their websites of producers of chinoiserie Wallpaper


http://www.wallpaperinstaller.com/chinoiserie_wallpaper.html

As for wallpaper pastes there are a few



Cellulose
Wheat paste
Premixed vinyl, clay
Premixed vinyl, clear
Vinyl Over Vinyl (VOV)

Cellulose
"Cellulose methyl ether, produced by treating cellulose from wood or cotton with an alkali, such as sodium hydroxide, followed by methyl chloride. The resulting product is a white granular solid, soluble in cold water but insoluble in hot water. In addition to being used as an adhesive, it is used as a thickening agent, as a substitute for natural gums, and as a stabilizer in emulsions."
-from Bookbinding and the Conservation of Books Dictionary from the Conservation On-Line (COOL) website

"Methyl cellulose occurs as practically odorless and tasteless, white to yellowish-white granules or powder. The pH of a 1% w/v solution is in the range of 5.5 to 8.0. Its angle of repose is about 40 degrees to 50 degrees and it is hygroscopic. It swells and disperses slowly in cold water to form a clear-to-opalescent, viscous, colloidal dispersion. The viscosity is increased with increased concentrations. The viscosity decreases with increased temperatures to about 50 degrees to 60 degrees Celsius, where gel formation occurs. The thermogelation is reversible when the viscous solution reforms upon cooling."
-from Wade A., Weller P.J. (eds) Handbook of Pharmaceutical Compounding.

In paperhanging, cellulose has the highest water content of any paste in general use (around 97%). It usually comes in a small box and is packaged as a white powder. It is mixed with cold water on the job and can be used with a variety of lightweight materials such as porous papers, grasscloth and silk. It's adhesion is mostly of the mechanical type. It leaves very little solids behind and is not suitable for many wallcoverings which require greater amounts of initial tack and holding power.

Wheat Paste
Common wheat flour Triticum vulgare (sativum), readily available in temperate climates, is the most frequently recommended flour for making wallpaper paste. The type sold in retail decorating centers is sold in bags: the user simply adds the white or off-white powder, sifting it slowly into lukewarm water, while stirring with a stick or cooking whisk to avoid lumps. This powder has been cooked first in a factory, then dried and re-combined with other ingredients. There are many grades of wheat paste available, but it is sometimes difficult to find in traditional decorating retail outlets.

Wheat has the next highest water content of any paste in general use, ranging from 90 to 95% water, depending on how much water is mixed with the product. Although wheat paste was once the most popular paste, the introduction of vinyl and vinyl-coated paper to the wallcovering industry in the 1950's and 60's and the eventual dominance of vinyl types in the U.S. mass market have led to a decline in both the recommendation and use of wheat paste. However, there are still many wallcovering products that can be successfully hung with wheat paste, including blankstock lining paper, porous handprints, grasscloth, strings, silks, and many English residential papers.

Premixed Vinyl, Clay
Clay-based premixed vinyl adhesive was developed to hang vinyl wallcoverings. It consists of clay, dextrin, and small amounts of cellulose, biocides and other additives. There is a machine-grade clay premix which includes glycerin, for use in pasting machines. The color ranges from tan to gray, and it usually is packaged in 1 and 5 gallon pails. Clay-base premix has the lowest water content (40-50%) of any paste in general use and is often used for wallcoverings which require superior tack. Such wallcoverings include commercial vinyl, foils, and heavily inked handprints.

Premixed Vinyl, Clear
Clear premixed vinyl adhesive is based on natural polymers such as wheat and corn starch or on synthetic (man-made) polymers. The polymers are cooked with heat or by chemical means, changing the molecules from long-chain to short-chain in the process. Other additives may include cellulose, biocides and flow agents. Many clears are designated as "Strippable", for use on bare sheetrock in the commercial market to allow future stripping when redecorating. Clears are designed for all-purpose use and may be used successfully with the widest variety of wallcoverings, ranging from a very light vinyl to heavy types. Some caution is necessary when using them with paper (they may strike-through delicate wallpaper) and with materials with high differential (they may not be able to overcome pronounced edge curl). The water content is usually in the 60-70% range.

Vinyl Over Vinyl (VOV)
"Vinyl Over Vinyl" is a trademark of the Roman Decorating Products. It's intended for commercial applications, where existing vinyl wallcoverings will be redecorated with new vinyl wallcoverings. It is extremely tacky and is sometimes used in special problem installations that demand an especially tenacious paste. The term VOV is often miss-applied to any brand of "over vinyl" adhesive.

 

[Penners]

The term VOV is often miss-applied to any brand of "over vinyl" adhesive.

Tsk - I do that ALL the time, myself.

I'm so embarrassed.

 

[Schoolmarm]

:lol: :lol:

 

[ilona73]

could it be this one?


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pr-GP-J-Baker-Peony-Blossom-Rd-Linen-Cushions-Shams_W0QQitemZ220416936119QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Home_Garden_Cushions_Throws_LE?hash=item220416936119&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1686%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A200#ht_3644wt_1030

 

[Penners]

Cushion shams?

If I was paying £27.50 I'd want a real one.

 

[Lime]

I recall as a young man being shown a room in an old coach house in the process of being decorated.
The room had several layers of paper on the walls and had been put up using flour paste which was common before the 50s.
The wallpaper was alive with mites, millions of them.

 

[Nigel Watts]

If you are hanging an expensive paper the last thing you need is a paste that is not just right.

Having tried most types of paste my preference is for the ready made stuff that comes in big tubs. It is gloopier than solvite so you run less risk of getting it on the face of the paper. Flour & water takes time and patience to get to the right consistency. I believe you can add Borax to flour and water paste to give it some resistance to infestation.