The bad stuff

[biffvernon]

Reeve's shop in Croydon, some quirky bits of Victorian architecture.
But is no more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HEdukcOwDk

 

[FamilyWiggs]

The CarepetRight store in Tottenham that the criminal thugs torched was apparently a nice piece of 1930s architecture too.

So sad.

 

[robgil]

And all for a new pair of trainers.

 

[Pford75]

Those who criticized the police handling of the student protests must bear some of the blame for this. Police now terrified of being accused of heavy handedness

 

[biffvernon]

Ah, so that's why they killed a bloke sitting in a mini-cab?

 

[skier-hughes]

In a pre planned stop in an anti-gun campaign?
Strange how all the reports I read say his family say "he'd never shoot at Police" None of them said "He'd never carry a gun"????

Alhtough the bullet that hit a police officer may have come from a police gun, the IPCC has said it would not comment on this until all ballistics and forensic tests were complete - but it has confirmed a non-police issue gun was found at the scene.

So that might be why they killed a bloke sitting in a mini-cab

 

[Moo]

Ah, so that's why they killed a bloke sitting in a mini-cab?

So - that gives me and my chums an excellent reason to torch a few private cars, vandalise some small shops (thus depriving the owners of their livelihoods) and then set fire to them and the flats above.
That policeman has a lot to answer for. Shame on him.

 

[skier-hughes]

and people made fun of me for buying a house with a moat.................... <<<< UP DRAWBRIDGE>>>> ha ha ha ha Jokes on you now :wink:

 

[Nigel Watts]

Ah, so that's why they killed a bloke sitting in a mini-cab?

Some reports have emerged today that he pulled a gun out when confronted by the police. In these circumstances, if a police officer believes him or herself to be in mortal danger, they are entitled to open fire.

 

[LadyArowana]

Ah, so that's why they killed a bloke sitting in a mini-cab?

Maybe mistakes were made at the time, and maybe the family were not dealt with appropriately in the aftermath, but it's fairly easy to be judgemental when you are not the one sent to confront someone with known gang affiliation who is likely armed.

 

[FamilyWiggs]

Ah, so that's why they killed a bloke sitting in a mini-cab?

Biff, nice blokes sitting in minicabs don't carry illegal handguns in broad daylight.

All this faux-lefty-liberal handwringing over Mark Duggan and "explanations" for 3 nights of wanton criminal thuggery from the likes of today's Guardian editorial makes me angry.

Duggan was a known criminal thug who got shot by police fearing he was about to use his gun on them. Tottenham, Croydon, Ealing Broadway, Bristol, Birmingham, Nottingham, etc are burning because of a feckless and organised underclass who think they have a right to loot luxury goods, rather than work to pay for them like the rest of us.

The police and fire services battling this anarchy (and being injured in their dozens doing so) deserve our support and respect.

 

[FamilyWiggs]

Ah, so that's why they killed a bloke sitting in a mini-cab?

Some reports have emerged today that he pulled a gun out when confronted by the police. In these circumstances, if a police officer believes him or herself to be in mortal danger, they are entitled to open fire.

Sage sense as ever, Mr W.

 

[robgil]

In all fairness guys the way the police have been gunning down or beating to death innocent people who just happened to be in front of their bullets and battons at the wrong time they had to get it right sooner or later.
Lets not forget the poor soals such as Ian Tomlinson when we talk about how great our trigger happy cowboy cops are. Its just one gang of thugs fighting another from what I can see.

 

[LadyArowana]

In all fairness guys the way the police have been gunning down or beating to death innocent people who just happened to be in front of their bullets and battons at the wrong time they had to get it right sooner or later.
Lets not forget the poor soals such as Ian Tomlinson when we talk about how great our trigger happy cowboy cops are. Its just one gang of thugs fighting another from what I can see.

and lets not forget the many police officers that have given their lives in the line of duty.

 

[biffvernon]

Hmmm... I got quoted five times on one PPUK page. Is that a citation record?


And in case anybody was wondering, I never said he was unarmed or that he wasn't a gangster or that he didn't have cloven hooves and a forked tail. For all I know all of that may be true but I try to stick to known facts rather than jumping to stereotypical conclusions, whether when dealing with rotten windows or rotten people.

The BBC are reporting thus:

There is no evidence Mark Duggan opened fire at police before being shot dead by a firearms officer, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has said.
Mr Duggan, 29, whose death sparked the first riots in Tottenham, died from a single bullet wound, an inquest heard.
The police watchdog said ballistic tests showed "no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired".
BBC News understands firearms officers discharged their weapons in the belief there was a threat to human life.
Their guidelines allow them to open fire in such circumstances.

Mr Duggan, a father of four, was shot in Ferry Lane, Tottenham, north London, on Thursday, as specialist firearms officers attempted to make an arrest.
A key witness, the driver of the minicab in which Mr Duggan was travelling, has yet to give his version of events. He is understood to be in a severe state of shock.
Investigations by the IPCC show two shots were fired by a Scotland Yard CO19 firearms officer.
The initial results confirmed a bullet found lodged in a police officer's radio was a "jacketed round" - a police issue bullet consistent with being fired from a force Heckler and Koch MP5.
Forensic officers have told the IPCC it may not be possible to "say for certain" whether the handgun found near Mr Duggan was fired.
Further tests on the weapon, which had been converted from a blank-firing pistol to one that shoots live rounds, are being carried out to establish this

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[LadyArowana]

And in case anybody was wondering, I never said he was unarmed or that he wasn't a gangster or that he didn't have cloven hooves and a forked tail. For all I know all of that may be true but I try to stick to known facts rather than jumping to stereotypical conclusions, whether when dealing with rotten windows or rotten people.

I wasn't wondering. I am quite capable of reading.

 

[biffvernon]

And here's a looter caught on film:
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=214513391914854

 

[FamilyWiggs]

Bif, I must have misunderstood your comment that fear of being heavy-handed "must be why they killed a bloke sitting in a minicab". :wink:

Maybe I'm jumping to stereotyical conclusions rather than carefully reading all the facts in your sentence - but to me that reads like a criticism of the police for killing Duggan and that they thus have been heavy-handed in doing so.

Not really a fact-based view that during the course of a planned arrest of a known gun criminal, police fatally discharged their weapons - which may well have been entirely in keeping with their rules of engagement? The IPCC will determine the truth in the full course of time.

To be frank, known gun criminals carrying illegal handguns in public places in broad daylight, are rarely engaged in charitable acts. Being shot by the police who are trying to protect the law-abiding majority, is probably an occupational hazard.

And yes, I guess 5 quotes is a record! 8)

 

[biffvernon]

But what about the seagull? Cameron said "Criminality, pure and simple." The seagull maybe both pure and simple but criminality is neither.

 

[skier-hughes]

but it is criminality, purely and simply.