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andrew gayton said:
Surely if you source an old piece as ethically as you should source a new piece then both underground sources will disappear. I'm not in agreement with this part of the arguement, but take your point on the others.
Ian Bond said:
Of course! This is an infallible method of identifying genuine old ship's timbers in a building. After a life at sea, they can't help taking up their natural inclination. You're smart, Ian lad, smart as paint. Knowd that as soon as I clapped eyes on you.
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Avast behind!
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Couldn't say. But if it had a chimney to stabilise it, I wonder whether it would have gone walkabout quite so much?biffvernon said:
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Maybe it couldn't take the leaning and fell down?
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A bit like a Skier-Hughes Friday night at the pub?
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Dreadful collection of windows.
I wonder if the three thin vertical timbers above right of the left front door are the mullions of the original window. What was wrong with a bit of oil-cloth?
I wonder if the three thin vertical timbers above right of the left front door are the mullions of the original window. What was wrong with a bit of oil-cloth?
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I would say diamond mullions without doubt. I reckon the trickle vent's (qv) been blocked up, though.biffvernon said:
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There is, of course, a third option, and that is to have some new bricks handmade that match the old ones.Pford75 said:
middi said:
Just like Nebucadnezzar and then Saddam Hussein did at Babylon - maybe they are not good people to emulate? :wink:
And incidentally, while checking my facts for this post, I put "Babylon Saddam" into Google. You get some seriously wierd stuff!
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That's all very well for the likes of you, Penners, what with your posh country place and that chateau in France. But for the likes of the rest of us, scratching along on tuppence a week, it's not so easy.
Come to think of it, though, why not dig up some clay, make a few moulds from one of the original bricks, and rent a kiln for a week. Cheap as chips.
I'm now working on fixing door that cost me nowt.
A neighbour had chucked it in a skip, and it is an exact match for what would have been in my house. The cottages were all built together, in the late 1830s. All my original doors are long gone, sadly.
A neighbour alerted me, and I asked before I took the door. It had been ripped off its hinges so needs some repair, and it is a bit battered.
But it's early 19th century joinery that is hard to come by - panels a foot wide, raised and fielded. The stiles are barely an inch thick.
I reckon it would cost me at least a couple £100 to get a handmade precise replica - that's something to be done over a number of years I think.
If someone's already chuck it out, and it's destined for landfill, then it's fair game for recylcing in my book.
A neighbour had chucked it in a skip, and it is an exact match for what would have been in my house. The cottages were all built together, in the late 1830s. All my original doors are long gone, sadly.
A neighbour alerted me, and I asked before I took the door. It had been ripped off its hinges so needs some repair, and it is a bit battered.
But it's early 19th century joinery that is hard to come by - panels a foot wide, raised and fielded. The stiles are barely an inch thick.
I reckon it would cost me at least a couple £100 to get a handmade precise replica - that's something to be done over a number of years I think.
If someone's already chuck it out, and it's destined for landfill, then it's fair game for recylcing in my book.
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Pford75 said:
it would be best to use new handmade imperial sized bricks from a local supplier. the fundamental problem with using 'reclaim' bricks is that the 'quality' is unknown.... batches of reclaime bricks are often a mixture of external/internal/underfired/footing/chimney/etc bricks which can often underperform in an external wallface - I am sure we have all seen instances where limewashed/sooted bricks have been used oin external walling only to fail through one decay mechanism or another.
to stir up the hornets nest, i have seen instances where 'fletton' et al have been used as a contrasting - unintentional 'spabby' 'honest' repair - material to good effect.
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The farmhouse my ex still lives in is of indeterminate age. It has been added to and changed over several hundred years. The Domesday Book shows a farm on the same site then and we were frequently digging up roman stuff.
A historian frm Oxford University came and had a look at it and I had a chance to ask about a few things. There were some beautiful glazed cupboards in the dining room so I asked if they were original to the house. He said it was possible but they weren't originally in that room.
Walls, paths, floors etc had been built from reclaimed materials, either older versions of the farmhouse and buildings or from other sources. We even (accidentally) dug up roman flagstones, they were absolutely huge, flat on top and very wonky on the underside.
The house I'm currently in was drastically altered in 1820, when 4 terraced cottages were made into 3 and two more added. You can see in the attic (loft?) bedroom where the pitch of the roof was altered. I suspect it was originally thatched. The beams are very worn with deep grooves etched into them. As it is extremely unlikely that heavy objects were being lifted in that space, the conclusion is that beams were reused from a barn or workshop.
The Bell Hotel in Malmesbury is built from stone taken (stolen)from the abbey next door as are many of the houses in the town.
This reuse of materials has always gone on. Why should it be any different now, and if todays historians can work out the reuse of old materials so can those in the future.
A historian frm Oxford University came and had a look at it and I had a chance to ask about a few things. There were some beautiful glazed cupboards in the dining room so I asked if they were original to the house. He said it was possible but they weren't originally in that room.
Walls, paths, floors etc had been built from reclaimed materials, either older versions of the farmhouse and buildings or from other sources. We even (accidentally) dug up roman flagstones, they were absolutely huge, flat on top and very wonky on the underside.
The house I'm currently in was drastically altered in 1820, when 4 terraced cottages were made into 3 and two more added. You can see in the attic (loft?) bedroom where the pitch of the roof was altered. I suspect it was originally thatched. The beams are very worn with deep grooves etched into them. As it is extremely unlikely that heavy objects were being lifted in that space, the conclusion is that beams were reused from a barn or workshop.
The Bell Hotel in Malmesbury is built from stone taken (stolen)from the abbey next door as are many of the houses in the town.
This reuse of materials has always gone on. Why should it be any different now, and if todays historians can work out the reuse of old materials so can those in the future.
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Moo said:
Ian Bond said:
We're introducing rather an appetising culinary flavour to this thread.