New windows for a grade 2 cottage

[Nemesis]

I think, Graham, over many posts you have said many, many rather unpleasant things about me. Nasty, personal stuff.
Don't now try to play the innocent.

 

[skier-hughes]

Well I'm happy to settle on letting the readers decide then.

 

[Nemesis]

I suspect they have. Pity some of your rants have been removed.

 

[skier-hughes]

and most of yours,

see we can all do it.

 

[Nemesis]

Actually no.

You'd be surprised.

Now - tell me about how rich you are, despite havimg lost it all once, how you are a school governor and so know all about education, how you have met HRH, how much you do for charity, how little I do that would help anyone, how if I got a life and tried to do some good in the world, etc etc. Slight paraphrase but about the case.


And so much more besides...

However. it's not very edifying for most people who I think would rather talk about period properties than listen to you ranting.

Not great for the forum either.

 

[skier-hughes]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Please quote me in context.

 

[Nemesis]

No need. Long rants.

In or out of context, a bit, well, peculiar. And not very accurate as far as many of the allegations about me were concerned.

But if it makes you feel important...

As I said - your spats and personal problems with me are probably of little interest to anyone seeking information about period buildings, although amusing.

 

[skier-hughes]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

yeh whatever

 

[Nemesis]

I leave it up to readers to judge how much you contribute to this site.

 

[skier-hughes]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Didn't I just say that!!!!!!!

 

[Pford75]

On the subject of the window replacement....i'm struck by a few issues:

1. The OP was clearly confused by the different regulations, processes and types of consent. I don't know him, but I believe the intent was to do the right thing

2. The complexity of the process, the number of different bodies involved (BCO, CO, PC, DC etc.) and the length of time things took meant that for a novice..this was always going to be problematic. As Nemesis says, the change of use further complicated.

3. Given what other members have said about adjoining properties and the OP's comments on previous alterations...I am slightly at a loss as to why such a strong line has been taken. I haven't seen the replacement windows, but surely anything is an improvement on shop windows? I might have hoped for a few compromises...ie. balancing the use of the right materials with certain less historic features.....after all...if the original detail is gone, the adjoining properties are wrecked...what is it that the CO is preserving?

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the council have been giving conflicting advice - (not blaming the CO here...just pointing out that council departments don't always talk to each other). If this does turn out to be the case - I hope the OP reaches a sensible conclusion.....and the guilty parties are suitably reprimanded

 

[biffvernon]

Evelyn and Graham, could you please restrict your off-topic discussions to one thread at a time, so that those of us who are not interested can ignore that thread.

David, I'm not ridiculing but when you say

But CO has not visited site............

I suspect, if your CO is anything like mine, that he would have rejected your plans at the first glance at the window section drawing, this really not being the sort of thing he was hoping for by a long way.

Part-L would apply to your window replacement if the building were not listed or within certain Conservation Areas, but in your case the Listed Building Consent is the important thing and takes precedence over Part-L of the Buildings Regulations.

There is also the issue of a casement window opening onto a public footpath. Part-K Section for requires that

K4. Provision shall be made to prevent people moving in or about the building from colliding with open windows, skylights or ventilators.

On the other hand K4 does not apply to dwellings. I'm not actually quite certain that there is a rule about windows opening from dwellings onto public footpaths. If there isn't, there probably should e and I always advise clients to fit sliding sashes in such situations.

The debate about what timber to do repairs with really gets to the heart of conservation practice. There may be a conflict between the benefit to the building and the benefit to future historians, in which case I'd vote in favour of the building and let future historians lump it. You could always write or scratch little messages: "Dave done this 2008", or some such.

 

[biffvernon]

I am slightly at a loss as to why such a strong line has been taken. I haven't seen the replacement windows, but surely anything is an improvement on shop windows?

Did you not see the pictures? They were posted early in this thread but seem to have been removed again. As I said then, a picture is worth...

 

[Nemesis]

Love to, but the topic has been locked.

As it is, re the windows, I think you all haven't really the plot, or the context, and think that need to leave it alone now.

Also - there is no historic precedent as far as I can see, so really what the CO might have hoped for is speculative.

These are simple modern DG timber windows.

 

[FamilyWiggs]

Nemesis - I am new to the forum, and would like to stay because there is much good stuff here, but if I could politely ask you to stop flying off the handle all the time, it would make the forum a much more pleasant place for newbies to want to stay.

You clearly have some good advice to impart, but the signal to noise ratio can fall very low at times!

With the greatest respect... Please Just Chill..... sorry for being an impertinent newbie but it needed saying.

Right now to a question.

Upthread, someone said

I know this is a non sequitur, but it occurs to me that anyone who was considering buying a listed building, if they read this thread first, would run like hell in the opposite direction!

My 16thC Welsh farmhouse is not listed, but has many features (some orignal wattle/daub internal panels for example) that probably mean it should be.

Other than saving VAT on labour/materials for the current project, are there any benefits to the owner of listing, or is it just a painful headache? No doubt Gareth's view would be very welcome here

I'm assuming a key benefit is protection for the future, in which case why don't I list it when/if I decide to move on?

 

[Nemesis]

I can assure you I don't 'fly off the handle'; I have a long history on this forum and a long history with some posters.

And I know that some very good people with a great deal of knowledge regarding historic buildings have all but ceased to post here because of the attitude of some. I agree it's not a pleasant place to be at at times. but that's not altogether a problem connected with me.

So don't meddle with things you know nothing about is my advice to you. Chill, in your own words.

In Wales, there has been a listing review in recent times. It is very likely your house has been reviewed and is not considered listable. It's unlikely it was overlooked. You don't list it. You can apply to have it assessed but it will most likely not happen.

 

[Flyfisher]

Welcome to the madhouse :roll:

I don't think listing is in the gift of the owner. You can certainly make the suggestion, but the final decision is not yours - either way (i.e. you can't force or refuse listing).

Benefits to the owner? Well, I've heard that listed properties can command a higher price, but I'm personally sceptical about that. As for VAT, you can only save VAT on approved alterations - repairs and maintenance are not exempt. Also, you cannot recover the VAT on any work you do yourself.

Personally, I wouldn't rush to get my house listed if I had the choice (too late, it already is!), but don't assume that being listed means a painful headache. The bottom line is that listing is intended to be for the benefit of the building. If your intentions are also to the benefit of the building then I doubt you'll have problems because the various people you'll need to get involved with (primarily the council Conservation Officer) will already be on the building's side and should therefore be only too willing to help you help the building.

 

[Nemesis]

The expert just did. I have a great deal of knowledge regarding listing.

If you really think that it has been overlooked for listing, contact CADW, who will tell you if it has been assessed.

Ignore Flyfisher's comment. He is one of those making this site very unpleasant.

 

[FamilyWiggs]

Nemesis,

I'm not going to get drawn into the flaming - so this will be my last and only comment on the subject.

There was nothing unpleasant in FF's comment - indeed it was (as were yours) very helpful.

I tend to believe you reap what you sow in this world; I'm not interested in the history, so will take folk as I find. I found nothing in FF's comment that was unpleasant or worth ignoring. Your reaction to it though seems worth ignoring - so I will henceforth.

:chill:

 

[Nemesis]

No, but as I said, there is history. He's reaping.

So just don't make comments regarding things you know nothing about.

I note he removed part of his post.

I won't bother giving you the benefit of my knowlege in future either.