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ilona73 said:
If you look closely enough, there's probably some lying around in FF's photo!! :lol:
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If you look closely enough, there's probably some lying around in FF's photo!! :lol:
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Could be . . . we rarely dare to venture in there. :lol:
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ilona - it's wonderful how much you've done - how on earth have you managed it?? I've done 2 rooms in 18 months! Your decor is a vast improvement - well done. Isn't it amazing how much better the panelling looks painted? I recognise the Laura Ashley "Tatton" too (Laura Ashley is the one nice shop where I live and a place I go to keep warm) - lovely choice for your teenage daughters. I believe I'm right in saying they copied that particular design from Farrow and Ball's "St Germain" , who in turn based their design on French 18th C documents -it all just goes round and round.
Keep up the good work!
Keep up the good work!
you are spot on with the origins of the Tatton print.. the girls however chose this themselves to my amazement..... i quite liked a zoffany print in a similar design but they chose good old LA lol...
The lounge i am pleased with colourwise but am disappointed with the paint quality of the fired earth eggshell so needless to say i wont be using it again.... still trial and error i suppose... i think in future i will be sticking with F&B...
I have also done Oscars room typical little boys room red white and blue .. again i let him chose his room colours and items himself... none of the children wanted to move here so i had to bribe them in some small wy to get them involved... funny thing is now we are here they absolutely love it and say they want it to be our forever home!...
Well this very morning i have ripped up the butchered laminate floor in pauls office only to find it was laid on plastic bin bags... then under that we have carpet underlay... then a layer of thick lino... i was hoping for a nice tiled floor but alas no...so i have set about work.. its safe to say its resembling a bombsite at the moment but while i am quiet workwise i want to crack on and get as much done as i can while i can as there is only little ole me working on this... paul is absolutely useless when it comes to anything like this... but if you drop down of a heart attack or whatever in the street he is your man!
so he has been decamped into the drawing room which was our junk room but after 5 tip runs its looking a bit better
It all makes good fun i suppose...x
The lounge i am pleased with colourwise but am disappointed with the paint quality of the fired earth eggshell so needless to say i wont be using it again.... still trial and error i suppose... i think in future i will be sticking with F&B...
I have also done Oscars room typical little boys room red white and blue .. again i let him chose his room colours and items himself... none of the children wanted to move here so i had to bribe them in some small wy to get them involved... funny thing is now we are here they absolutely love it and say they want it to be our forever home!...
Well this very morning i have ripped up the butchered laminate floor in pauls office only to find it was laid on plastic bin bags... then under that we have carpet underlay... then a layer of thick lino... i was hoping for a nice tiled floor but alas no...so i have set about work.. its safe to say its resembling a bombsite at the moment but while i am quiet workwise i want to crack on and get as much done as i can while i can as there is only little ole me working on this... paul is absolutely useless when it comes to anything like this... but if you drop down of a heart attack or whatever in the street he is your man!
so he has been decamped into the drawing room which was our junk room but after 5 tip runs its looking a bit better
It all makes good fun i suppose...x
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You do know that F & B have discontinued their oil eggshell? There are still lots of cans in circulation though. Their eco eggshell is pants.
Well, he's very lucky to have you working so hard. I'm on strike a lot of the time- low pay, miserable conditions here. Not even autonomy over colours! I hope you get your own way when the rooms aren't the children's?
ilona73 said:
Well, he's very lucky to have you working so hard. I'm on strike a lot of the time- low pay, miserable conditions here. Not even autonomy over colours! I hope you get your own way when the rooms aren't the children's?
JoceAndChris said:
I had heard through the grapevine they were discontinuing it but i haven't had cause to use it for a while so thought ack well.... i will still get my hands on some even if i have to ebay it ... there will probably be more knocking about than you can shake a stick at if you know where to look? I personally think anything other than traditional eggshell is bound to be rubbish is fired earth is anything to go by....
The pay and conditions here is pants too .. tantamount to slave labour i tell ya!!! i am doing it purely for the love of the place... oh and the fact i hate mess!! so if i dont do it arrange it or sort it... it doesn't get done simples!
As for the decor through the rest of the house... ha! no one is having a say because i pull rank and i say ..."its my job" come back when u know what you are talking about.... i have to admit though paul is pretty easy going and we more or less aggree on everything taste wise.... and right now i have one husband who is acting like an excited kid at christmas because he is having what he calls a gentlemans study hahaah
wonder if he thinks he is having lapdancers??? hahaha
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ilona73 said:
What did you use to clean up the metal bit on that amazing fireplace? And what did you use on the tiles in the fireplace, and on the skirting?
JoceAndChris said:
For the fire canopy i used Brasso and a polishing attachment on a drill believe it or believe it not!
For the tiles i just used good old tile paint applied with a sponge foam roller (clean down existing tiles with white spirit first)
The skirting was believe it or not brush wood and 5 layers of paint to begin with... i simply stripped it back with a heat gun on gentle setting tedious i know but had to be done because it was bright you have been tangoed orange!!... sanded well... then stained it with jacobean oak stain and waxed to finish.
Hope this helps!
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Most interesting, thankyou! You have really worked hard, and made such a difference in a very short space of time - inspirational!
Interesting project !
I've only recently joined this forum and am trying to catch up on what folks are doing etc.
I notice a few posts back that you pulled up a floor covering revealing plastic bags and lino.
This is a pretty obvious cheapskate attempt to make a solid old floor damp proof which I have seen plenty before.
In the hope that you have not already re-floored the room may I suggest you leave the original porous surface exposed and the windows as open as you can when weather permits for as long as you can. You need to know if there is a localised ground damp issue before deciding on the best floor finish, possibly including digging out the floor and laying a modern membrane below insulation and mass slab.
If the underlying floor is not too damp you could consider a bitumen pour covered with parquet, the bitumen doing the same job as the modern membrane.
Either way, you need to know where the damp will go instead ! What's the level change between the floor and outside ground? are the perimeter walls well drained? What's your ground like outside ?( if you've already covered these I'll read back in the thread)
Things to have in a project like this.
Onsite fabrication shop
Dry storage
Materials handling area (eg for denailing reclaimed wood, stripping etc.)
EMPTY storage ready for that random treasure you see in some one else's skip!
ATB
I've only recently joined this forum and am trying to catch up on what folks are doing etc.
I notice a few posts back that you pulled up a floor covering revealing plastic bags and lino.
This is a pretty obvious cheapskate attempt to make a solid old floor damp proof which I have seen plenty before.
In the hope that you have not already re-floored the room may I suggest you leave the original porous surface exposed and the windows as open as you can when weather permits for as long as you can. You need to know if there is a localised ground damp issue before deciding on the best floor finish, possibly including digging out the floor and laying a modern membrane below insulation and mass slab.
If the underlying floor is not too damp you could consider a bitumen pour covered with parquet, the bitumen doing the same job as the modern membrane.
Either way, you need to know where the damp will go instead ! What's the level change between the floor and outside ground? are the perimeter walls well drained? What's your ground like outside ?( if you've already covered these I'll read back in the thread)
Things to have in a project like this.
Onsite fabrication shop
Dry storage
Materials handling area (eg for denailing reclaimed wood, stripping etc.)
EMPTY storage ready for that random treasure you see in some one else's skip!
ATB
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I would stongly advise every other solution, including goat sacrifice, before either a "modern membrane" or something doing the "same job".
Gareth,
Strong advice should always be accompanied by practical suggestions that will work. You will find bitumen under any old woodblock/parquet floor for the very good reason that it stops the wood swelling up; in other words it's a damp membrane.
I invite the madwoman in question to comment more on what was under the existing membrane = plastic sheets and lino; and on what I asked about drainage.
You will note I also caution regarding the use of impermeable membranes in so far as finding out where the water would be displaced to.
Not using a damp proof membrane in a damp floor effectively writes off the room for anything electronic, any carpets, etc. You can always use straw matting and throw it on the garden when it starts to get too rotten...
Strong advice should always be accompanied by practical suggestions that will work. You will find bitumen under any old woodblock/parquet floor for the very good reason that it stops the wood swelling up; in other words it's a damp membrane.
I invite the madwoman in question to comment more on what was under the existing membrane = plastic sheets and lino; and on what I asked about drainage.
You will note I also caution regarding the use of impermeable membranes in so far as finding out where the water would be displaced to.
Not using a damp proof membrane in a damp floor effectively writes off the room for anything electronic, any carpets, etc. You can always use straw matting and throw it on the garden when it starts to get too rotten...
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headgear said:
Who, and what, are you talking about? This thread is chiefly about ilona's taking on of a very lovely house and doing some decorating. :? :? :? There's no mention of any of the issues you raise.
And don't you know that by laying a non-breathing substance on the ground you push moisture into the walls? It's very much a no-no for historic properties. The floors suitable for older buildings are those with great caverns of air under floorboards and air vents in the bricks, flags laid on earth or limecrete.
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I suppose you must be referring to this sentence:
For all we know ilona may excavate back to 17th C rush matting, and hopefully won't need to worry herself about damp at all.
ilona73 said:
For all we know ilona may excavate back to 17th C rush matting, and hopefully won't need to worry herself about damp at all.
One can always hope for the best in life !
I was just saying I've seen this kind of floor covering in similar age buildings before.....
Same goes for new dry lining, new panelling, new tiling.
I did once see a surveyors report where he admitted his damp meter reading was useless because the floor had layers of lino on it -
" the right reading for the wrong reason"
Am I right in thinking that lovely house is in the South East somewhere ? much drier country than I'm used to and houses of that scale tend to be on well chosen sites.
In addition to hope, there are some good reasons there may be nothing to worry about
I was just saying I've seen this kind of floor covering in similar age buildings before.....
Same goes for new dry lining, new panelling, new tiling.
I did once see a surveyors report where he admitted his damp meter reading was useless because the floor had layers of lino on it -
" the right reading for the wrong reason"
Am I right in thinking that lovely house is in the South East somewhere ? much drier country than I'm used to and houses of that scale tend to be on well chosen sites.
In addition to hope, there are some good reasons there may be nothing to worry about
Madwoman??? meee???
hahaha
Actually Joce is right ... The only room we had any type of damp in the house was in Pauls office on an internal wall which was crystallised about 8 inches above the skirting height which i am almost 100% certain came from the dreaded plastic on top of two layers of beige and then dark blue thick lino not to mention the cheap ikea laminate .Underneath the lino and plastic i thought was a concrete floor but what it turned out to be was like discoloured filler which after scrubbing revealed a lovely victorian tiled floor which also goes through the rear hallway and main hallway to the house.
Needless to say the room is now completely stripped and being left to "breathe" for a few weeks as i want to see if there is any improvement to the wall now that all the plastic membranes have been removed and it is back to its former glory so to speak...
The windows int he room are sealed sandstone mullions so no openings in the room for extra ventilation.. does anyone think a dehumidifier might help short term?
Head gear the house is Grade II* listed Simonswood Hall near Bickerstaffe West Lancashire.
hahaha
Actually Joce is right ... The only room we had any type of damp in the house was in Pauls office on an internal wall which was crystallised about 8 inches above the skirting height which i am almost 100% certain came from the dreaded plastic on top of two layers of beige and then dark blue thick lino not to mention the cheap ikea laminate .Underneath the lino and plastic i thought was a concrete floor but what it turned out to be was like discoloured filler which after scrubbing revealed a lovely victorian tiled floor which also goes through the rear hallway and main hallway to the house.
Needless to say the room is now completely stripped and being left to "breathe" for a few weeks as i want to see if there is any improvement to the wall now that all the plastic membranes have been removed and it is back to its former glory so to speak...
The windows int he room are sealed sandstone mullions so no openings in the room for extra ventilation.. does anyone think a dehumidifier might help short term?
Head gear the house is Grade II* listed Simonswood Hall near Bickerstaffe West Lancashire.
Thanks for the clarification ! And the photo, good looking floor !
DE-humidifier - only if you want to throw money out of the window. You may want to look at hiring a contractor's dryer for a much shorter time, the kind of thing used to force dry plaster, then leave it be for a few weeks and see what happens. Talk to a plant hire firm about the volume of the room etc. they should be able to advise properly.
As a matter of interest, have you discussed insulation with your CO; if so with what outcome?
DE-humidifier - only if you want to throw money out of the window. You may want to look at hiring a contractor's dryer for a much shorter time, the kind of thing used to force dry plaster, then leave it be for a few weeks and see what happens. Talk to a plant hire firm about the volume of the room etc. they should be able to advise properly.
As a matter of interest, have you discussed insulation with your CO; if so with what outcome?
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Gosh, what a lovely floor!
headgear said:
No we hadn't discussed fully it with our CO because to be completely honest there was no real concern raised by either of us with the damp due to it only being a small patch on one wall which he was pretty sure once the laminate etc came up would sort itself out . As for insulation it hasn't come up for discussion yet.. thats not to say it won't at a later date but to be honest we have a very easy going CO who we get on well with and i know should i have any question or problem i can give him a call . We are pretty lucky in that with our house there isn't much wrong with it that a lot of TlC wont sort out.We are not rebuilding it brick by brick as it were because apart from some outside pointing its all done and we are lucky,. By that i mean that all the major problems with it were sorted about ten years ago when there was a rather large fire here and the previous owners had to practically rebuild it as was.The only problem came when they moved to hong kong and rented it out to a bunch of not so very well educated individuals who decided to sublet rooms and so it got wrecked cosmetically... as the owner was abroad they couldn't be bothered and so sold it on at a knockdown price due to the disrepair and general neglect of the place over the last 6 years.. for almost two of which it stood empty.. we bought it and now are injecting life and soul back into it bit by bit ...