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I simply cannot understand why anyone would buy a historic building, listed or unlisted, then proceed to rip out all its interest and history and dump it in a skip. All too frequently then replacement materials and methods are used, as you say, which make a pig's ear out of it.
Sadly many do, and our country is immeasurably impoverished by this in ways which have nothing to do with cash, unless you own B and Q or a placcy window firm.
This isn't to say we shouldn't live comfortably, but if a modern house is required, why not buy one, instead of removing historic interest from a period building?
Sadly many do, and our country is immeasurably impoverished by this in ways which have nothing to do with cash, unless you own B and Q or a placcy window firm.
This isn't to say we shouldn't live comfortably, but if a modern house is required, why not buy one, instead of removing historic interest from a period building?
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Hear, hear.
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Ditto, but as the saying goes "there's nowt as queer as folk" 
The very existence of uPVC windows proved the point - personally, I can't recall ever seeing a pleasant looking placcy window, whatever the building. I put it in the same category as stone cladding.
The very existence of uPVC windows proved the point - personally, I can't recall ever seeing a pleasant looking placcy window, whatever the building. I put it in the same category as stone cladding.
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Don't forget we were just quoting the estate agent's views that 'you can do what you like with it.' These are not our views, and never have been.
Had to put up with much mirth from builders for keeping things as they were as far as possible. Apart from visits to the old loo in the orchard ... and taking the old farmer's bath out of the kitchen, and putting it in the dairy.
Had to put up with much mirth from builders for keeping things as they were as far as possible. Apart from visits to the old loo in the orchard ... and taking the old farmer's bath out of the kitchen, and putting it in the dairy.
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Yes it's a strong argument.
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I think that persuading EH to list is bloody hard work, frankly.
I've just in the past five minutes sent off a long e-mail asking for a review of a refusal to list which many thought a no brainer. Many are asked for but the ways of EH are mysterious and not all make it.
It's worth a try, but it's all bit of a lottery, frankly.
I suspect though that it may have been assessed for listing in the past - and didn't make it. Once turned down it's hard to overturn that decision.
I've just in the past five minutes sent off a long e-mail asking for a review of a refusal to list which many thought a no brainer. Many are asked for but the ways of EH are mysterious and not all make it.
It's worth a try, but it's all bit of a lottery, frankly.
I suspect though that it may have been assessed for listing in the past - and didn't make it. Once turned down it's hard to overturn that decision.
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I should have said "it's worth trying to get it listed". There's no harm in talking to the EH body in your area and asking if it has already been considered and turned down.
EH is though so overstretched that adding buildings to the statutory list is largely done these days on the basis of 'spot-listing'- i.e. listing only buildings in real imminent danger of irreversible damage or total loss. Since this would not appear to be the case here, I agree with Nemesis up to a point.
You can but try. So much better to try to be proactive in the protection of the heritage rather than trying to fight a rearguard action after the event, don't you think? Prevention being better than cure, etc.
EH is though so overstretched that adding buildings to the statutory list is largely done these days on the basis of 'spot-listing'- i.e. listing only buildings in real imminent danger of irreversible damage or total loss. Since this would not appear to be the case here, I agree with Nemesis up to a point.
You can but try. So much better to try to be proactive in the protection of the heritage rather than trying to fight a rearguard action after the event, don't you think? Prevention being better than cure, etc.
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It would be good if EH/DCMS thought so too at times, but I need a stiff drink when thinking about the listing lot. It's all very well being pro-active but when they then turn down listing (which many involved think was a wrong decision) trying to get that overturned is hard work.
It's still the Secretary of State who lists however - on occasions she goes against their advice.
I've just asked the DCMS for a list of the nine buildings / structures David Lammy claimed last week were damaged to prevent listing. I think that's a very conservative estimate. Be interested to know if their list concides with some I know of.
What is required too is another proper area by area survey - not only the 'thematic' surveys on which EH is expending all its time and energy. Spotlisting when there is a threat is all very well but all too often it's rushed and without the benefit of detailed research.
It's still the Secretary of State who lists however - on occasions she goes against their advice.
I've just asked the DCMS for a list of the nine buildings / structures David Lammy claimed last week were damaged to prevent listing. I think that's a very conservative estimate. Be interested to know if their list concides with some I know of.
What is required too is another proper area by area survey - not only the 'thematic' surveys on which EH is expending all its time and energy. Spotlisting when there is a threat is all very well but all too often it's rushed and without the benefit of detailed research.
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It may have been passed over as it can't be seen from anywhere, and from the outside it's just a typical little old Yorkshire farmhouse with barn attached. The CO saw the interior and said why didn't we apply to list it.
The old hill farmer who had it before us was there for 60 years and very little was done to it during that time. That's why it had to go to auction, aas it was in a bad state of repair. Will let you know what happens if we decide to apply for listing, which we probably will.
The old hill farmer who had it before us was there for 60 years and very little was done to it during that time. That's why it had to go to auction, aas it was in a bad state of repair. Will let you know what happens if we decide to apply for listing, which we probably will.
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When the listing surveys were done many years ago areas were divided up into squares and surveyed area by area. Some did get away but not many, although there are areas where surveys were not ever really completed.
Depends on so many things - age, how much original fabric including joinery there is, depends on how interesting what you have is (on national level). It may be considered there are better less altered examples already listed. It's all not simple, but you can of course try, any history etc you can give and a report from some historian is helpful. Try the Yorkshire Vernacular Buildings Group, for example. It's much harder now than it once was to get anything listed, under the current regime.
http://www.yvbsg.org.uk/
It won't be a rapid result I think.
As it's in a conservation area that affords some protection from total demolition.
Depends on so many things - age, how much original fabric including joinery there is, depends on how interesting what you have is (on national level). It may be considered there are better less altered examples already listed. It's all not simple, but you can of course try, any history etc you can give and a report from some historian is helpful. Try the Yorkshire Vernacular Buildings Group, for example. It's much harder now than it once was to get anything listed, under the current regime.
http://www.yvbsg.org.uk/
It won't be a rapid result I think.
As it's in a conservation area that affords some protection from total demolition.
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With reference to listed building grants, we must have been lucky. The CO was happy to discuss this before we bought, and we received the full amount available for roof repairs. It was still less than 20% of the final bill, but the cheque was very welcome nonetheless. It sounds like our farmhouse has a similar history to yours, although it's less remote. The listing has still allowed us to modernise the parts that needed it (rewiring, central heating, removal of chip board kitchen) and is sometimes an easier way of explaining to others why we haven't ripped out all the historic features.