The Stansted Inquiry

[Pford75]

I suspect the poor don't actually hop on a plane more often anyhow

With Ryanair offerring £29 European flights....it's cheaper to fly abroad than take the train into London!

The point is..that if ticket prices truly reflected the environmental costs..there would be no £29 flights....no £300 package holidays in Spain etc. That's all fine...but some people won't be able to afford the increase in prices

Why do teachers get lumped in with nurses? It's down to the Gov't definition of 'key worker'

The Government definition includes:

nurses and other NHS staff
teachers
police officers & some civilian staff in some police forces
prison service and probation staff
social workers, educational psychologists, planners (in London) and occupational therapists employed by local authorities
whole time junior fire officers and retained fire fighters (all grades)

It is widely acknowledged that key workers have a very tough time in London (can't afford to live there...can't afford to commute there)

I'm sure your Burberry is lovely....my reference is to the Burberry check cap..which itself has become an recognisable sign of poor social skills, low IQ and disregard for anyone else...you may have escaped this in your part of the UK (I hope you continue to do so)... I only wish we were so lucky


I love travelling and I love the difference my job can make. One of the projects my team was involved in was Kijabe hospital
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac79/emgmkt/index.html it would be a shame if we weren't able to help others less fortunate than ourselves because some people in the UK living next to an airport don't want more noise

 

[Nemesis]

I can get the train to London and back, if I book in advance, for around twenty pounds. I think many feel those Ryanair flights are not sustainable in the long term - but it's like selling cigarettes to developing countries cheaply.

Environmental costs - well, let's not think about those, it's inconvenient isn't it?

I appreciate the 'key worker' aspect - just wonder why it's always 'teachers and nurses' and not others.

I also appreciate the costs of London living, especially for young people, although many do manage it.

Oh dear - you aren't equating headwear with a certain type of person are you? I thought you disapproved of such 'racism'... must rush out and buy one instantly. As must the other half. Indeed, I will recommend them to all my chums.

I received a letter from the SSE campaign today. It contained a sample of the campaign Christmas card, featuring Hatfield Forest, and the threats to this ancient woodland.

If you really think the expansion of Stansted is about a few more people not wanting a bit more noise, then I do, as Biff says, think,... doh.

 

[CHRIS]

PFord75

Why did you go and mention the trains, you know what happens!!!!!

The £20 ticket from up north to london is a joke, all it does is get daytrippers etc in their flat caps with Whippets blocking up the pavement thats lined in gold spending £10 on a Star$%^& lunch and then spending the return journey moaning about how expensive London is.

The people who keep London going are the Nurses, teachers and old bill along with the millions of low paid people who live in substandard housing with very little prospects of getting out due to living from week to week and hand to mouth. Its fine for some people who are from an era when you could buy a house in most areas but when a house that was £5000 in 1979 is now worth 1.5mill in most parts of London what hope is there?

Also if you are of an age where you have paid off your 25 year mortgage or have a family that can survive on 1 wage you are ok but if you are in your 30s and have to have 2 incomes just to live in a tiny cottage under a flightpath life is c$%^ so excuse me.

 

[Nemesis]

PFord75


The £20 ticket from up north to london is a joke, all it does is get daytrippers etc in their flat caps with Whippets blocking up the pavement thats lined in gold spending £10 on a Star$%^& lunch and then spending the return journey moaning about how expensive London is.

Hell - had no idea I could take the whippet! Must investigate further... will it go in the guard's van? Never had a St*rb*cks lunch either, is it better than Smiths of Smithfield??

Never done a day trip mind - not a lot of time in Lunnon I fear if I did that. No time to gawp and doff the cap at my betters in their BMW's riding around.


Oh come on Chris - stop whining. Just move. All of you who live around Stansted. Buy a place in the country far from the madding crowd.

 

[Nemesis]

If it's good enough for the PM...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6929327.stm

And as for those cheap flights - well, a spare pair of knickers might cost you...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6930067.stm


Still we chavs won't mind, we'll just go commando.

 

[Nemesis]

And hey, dahn to Margate:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southeasttoday/latest_stories/


(As a member of the Save Dreamland campaign it's good the see it on the Beeb...)

 

[biffvernon]

I hear that out Prime Minister is taking his annual family hioliday in Dorset. No runways will be involved. There's leadership

 

[Nemesis]

Hmmm - do keep up Vernon. I posted a news link earlier in this thread.

(He's going to holiday in Scotland also. I will not make any racist remarks about kilts and going commando for fear of removal...)

 

[CHRIS]

Nemesis

I am not whining - far from it. I knew the day i moved in (only 2 years ago) that it may be a problem and thats why I dont get involved with the ladies that DO lunch, arrange nice walks in the forest (the only bit I really do care about) and stick up ugly massive signs all over a 50mile radius.

Come of it about the BMW drivers its a about Maybachs in the city!!

You should try the dog on the train, mine loves it. You can take it for free.

Try Claridges next time in LTown - (if you have never been)

http://www.claridges.co.uk/about_claridges/history/

 

[Nemesis]

Sadly the dog died - and he was a terrier not a whippet! Not sure he would have enjoyed the train and Lunnon.

No, when I go to town it's Smiths of Smithfield for lunch and liquid dinner.

The Jerusalem Tavern, Princess Louise in Holborn...

I care about the buildings, the area, and the ecological disaster.

Nothing to do with ladies who lunch.

 

[Moo]

Dear old Nem. Rises to the bait every time.

 

[Nemesis]

Silly old Moo.
As ever, not a clue really. No wider view or in depth knowledge of the subtleties of plot.

I'm no fool Moo - don't treat me like one. It's a big mistake. As many can testify in the big wide world outside of PPUK.

I just have a sense of the ridiculous and enjoy leading folk astray.

My tongue is usually very firmly in my cheek.

(Cue Grimmers...)

 

[Nemesis]

PS to Chris

My last trip to Lunnon was for a rather nice private drinks party in the historic premises of a publisher (which features the fireplace where his ancestor burnt Lord Byron's memoirs, considering them too shocking) given to celebrate the saving of a historic building, the campaign for which you may have read about in all the press. Better than tea at Claridges.

 

[Moneypit]

I'm torn. Threads like this are either entertaining for the banter or they are disappointing because of the underlying menace that seems to exist.

I am hesitating to comment further because I feel that whatever I write will be countered with some sarcastic response. I welcome debate but there are those who post here who are either intentionally confrontational, or lack the sensitivity to allow an alternate view.

The written word is frequently misunderstood because attempts at irony miss the target completely. In a face to face conversation much of what is being written here would be laughed off as an obvious tongue in cheek jibe.

I can't suggest that the discussion would be better in a different forum or thread because it cleverly returns every now and then to the topic of the original post. However some of it makes very uncomfortable reading when the name calling reaches such playground levels. Why can't the protaganists restrict themselves to PMs? Or is it that they only thrive in the public arena?

Finally, never mind trolling, I have never seen such a great example of 'blackdog' ing.

 

[Nemesis]

Then simply don't read it!

It's not compulsory, and maybe, just maybe, you miss the background plot. Bit like The Archers really - you can dip in and out, but need to listen to every episode to really understand things. The internet is a strange place, and as my other half says - those posting on website forums are clearly barking anyhow. Oh yes, menace, trolling, sarcasm, irony, and old fashioned tekin t'piss and some serious stuff in the middle. The umbrage some take simmers for years and breaks out every now and again.

I don't bother much trying to argue the serious stuff with any great rigour any more, it's waste of time here when I can be doing it where it matters. I post things for information, people take it or leave it, read or not read, follow up or not. It's my good deed for the day.

I hope Graham has had a nice cup of tea and a calm down by now though. I would miss his little rants against me every now and again. It would make me think he'd given up caring. At least this time I was spared the details of how rich he is, his charitable good works, his meetings with royalty.

We have, thankfully, been spared Moo complaining about my spelling, punctuation and grammar too.

I have managed in this thread not to offend PFORD75 by calling him a f***wit, and I do hope all the chavs reading this are not offended by his classist remarks, or I may have to report him to Rob and ask for the thread to be removed. As he did with another.

The owners of the B*****y garment label may take offence of course, I am sure that they consider they are manufacturing classy garments and would be most miffed to find folks like me wearing them (in fact we had to wear them as part of school uniform, I have a long time affinity).

In the midst of all this, maybe a few reading can consider the damage that Stansted (and Heathrow) expansion may be going to do to do to our nation's heritage and the environment, and if really a cheap flight or several is worth it. Or sustainable in the long term.

Cos once it's gone it's gone, and can't be put back.

Cue Flyfisher, to tell me railways are a dead duck... and we should demolish Paddingtom immediately in order to build another airport.

Punch and Judy... without the sausages.

 

[Moo]

We have, thankfully, been spared Moo complaining about my spelling, punctuation and grammar too.

I know I'm a silly old moo, but I don't remember complaining about the quality of anyone's text (especially yours). I just tried to point out as gently as possible how difficult some posts were to read.
However, as you've noticed, I've become much more tolerant. It's one of the things I've given up worrying about along with irritations like litter, foul language, and over-amplified music.

 

[CHRIS]

Back to the topic at hand, an article in the Torygraph today (property section) about the owners of a listed building near Stansted and if they should or should not take the money on offer fron BAA. Bit of an eye opener really to how much they are paying and at the end of the day money does talk!

 

[Nemesis]

It's still a listed building, no matter who owns it.

Let's also remind ourselves - BAA is a commercial business, parent company in Spain. Construction group Ferrovial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrovial


Here's a previous Torygraph article. Those who keep saying people living nearby should have known of the fact it could be extended (to a size larger than Heathrow is currently...) may wish to take note of the fact that there have been inquiries before, which found against expansion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2003/09/10/pfly10.xml