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Not sure how many period home owners own period motor vehicles but I see the MOT test will now only apply to post 1960 vehicles.as from 18th nov this year.phil.
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My vehicles are 1970s, so no help to me, but I entirely approve of this decision. One small diminution of Nanny state.
Oddly enough, the highest MOT failure rate is in vehicles three years old.
Ivor
Oddly enough, the highest MOT failure rate is in vehicles three years old.
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Good.
Mine are '56 (hardly used) '71 and '80.
Mine are '56 (hardly used) '71 and '80.
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Apparently pre-1960's vehicles account for just 0.6% of all cars on the roads and for just 0.03% of accidents.
Whilst I accept that the MOT, and it's testing parameters, have left most 'old' cars behind, they are still fragile and vulnerable when involved in an accident with a 'modern' car. This is normally offset by the owners and drivers being more sensible and defensive behind the wheel. They probably also spend far more time under the car and bonnet and will therefore see obvious signs of decay and damage, and do something about it, far sooner than your average modern car driver, some of who still need the manual to find the bonnet catch :roll:
Whilst I accept that the MOT, and it's testing parameters, have left most 'old' cars behind, they are still fragile and vulnerable when involved in an accident with a 'modern' car. This is normally offset by the owners and drivers being more sensible and defensive behind the wheel. They probably also spend far more time under the car and bonnet and will therefore see obvious signs of decay and damage, and do something about it, far sooner than your average modern car driver, some of who still need the manual to find the bonnet catch :roll:
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Got a bit fedup taking early motorcycles with gas lights and a lump of wood for a brake for an MOT on a trailer to be told "leave it on the trailer I will just get you a cert" and still having to pay the full amount! phil.
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I will admit a sense of joy at the thought of not having a plank of a mechanic man handling my cars (8 Armstrong Siddeleys dating from 1933 to 1959). Then having to explain that certain items, such as windscreen washers, are not required if you have an opening windscreen. Let alone trying to explain to them the operation of a pre-select gearbox so they can simply move the car. YIPPY 
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madworthy said:I will admit a sense of joy at the thought of not having a plank of a mechanic man handling my cars (8 Armstrong Siddeleys dating from 1933 to 1959). Then having to explain that certain items, such as windscreen washers, are not required if you have an opening windscreen. Let alone trying to explain to them the operation of a pre-select gearbox so they can simply move the car. YIPPY
Or being told "your brakes don`t work at all!" and having to point out the middle pedal is the accelerator! or when sitting in for Mr MOT being told "right indicator" sticking your right hand out!
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Ignorant mechanics can do a lot of damage to an old car. Some imagine that the transmission 'handbrake' on my Landrover is for stopping the car, even though the handbook specifically forbids this use.
Leaving the Landy for work to be done + MOT, the mixture was 'richened' by turning the float screws the wrong way, leaving it so weak that the CO was off my meter. Luckily I realised before driving too far.
And the number of 'discussions' I've had about 'loose' taper-roller wheel bearings. Now, I just 'happen' to have the Workshop manual in the car at MOT time, and any work that gets done, gets done by me.
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Leaving the Landy for work to be done + MOT, the mixture was 'richened' by turning the float screws the wrong way, leaving it so weak that the CO was off my meter. Luckily I realised before driving too far.
And the number of 'discussions' I've had about 'loose' taper-roller wheel bearings. Now, I just 'happen' to have the Workshop manual in the car at MOT time, and any work that gets done, gets done by me.
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Vauxhall 20/60 of 1928 vintage, every year I take it for MOT and it passes, but the garage I use do give the car a proper going over and have in the past spotted something that I had missed. So I expect I will continue to have an inspection of the car, just to be sure . Nice to have a choice now though!
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I do all the work on my series LandRovers.88v8 said:
I know of no one who knows more about my vehicles than I do.
what annoys me most in the MOT is when they decide to hit the chassis to check for corrosion.
(Their knocking can sometimes sound like a steel band playing)
They can damage the underseal and that leads to rust spots in the most out of the way places.
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Well they were supposed to keep me out of trouble. The trouble now is I have 8. :wink:
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They are not allowed to do that anymore. If they poke a hole in it make them fix it.
Very few mot stations understand landys.
I take mine to these guys.
http://www.wlr4x4.co.uk/
The mot station before them thought it a good idea to test the handbrake (transmission brake) by bringing the vehicle up to speed in the car park then pulling the hand brake on, I watched my ninety bounce across the car park as it locked up all the transmission, they could have easily sheered the gearbox main shaft.
Assuming it is serviced properly, running well,and you don't have any warnings about failed Lambda or MAP sensors etc., then unfortunately I'd guess at a faulty catalystrobgil said:
My 2 Saabs recorded 0.00% and 0.07% CO at their last MoT tests, so the limits should be easily achievable.
Its more of a vacuum leak than the cat , the lambda readings show the cat to be working, lambda sensor reads .1 volt to .8 volts as it fluctuates between the two so the sensor is OK. The air mass sensor might also be on it's way out but I think more vacuum leak than anything else.
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I would have thought a vacuum leak would increase oxygen levels and so produce an increase in CO2 and a reduced CO level.
In my experience, vacuum leaks in Saabs lend to be in the maze of small pipes that control the dump valve and the APC valve on turbo cars. Is yours a turbo? If so, does it boost fully, but without over-boosting? Can you hear the dump valve hiss when you take your foot off the accelerator suddenly?
Is your idle speed nice and steady, or does it fluctuate? Vacuum problems can be caused by splits in the vacuum pipes or collapsed pipes that suck themselves flat and block when a vacuum is applied. Both seem to make the idle speed do strange things.
Is your idle speed nice and steady, or does it fluctuate? Vacuum problems can be caused by splits in the vacuum pipes or collapsed pipes that suck themselves flat and block when a vacuum is applied. Both seem to make the idle speed do strange things.
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Ah! Vacuum control pipes.
That's a different matter.
That's a different matter.
Vacuum control pipes are where I have had several leaks / problems over the years, and Saabs do use a lot of them. Personally, out of the 4 Saabs I've had, I've never had a vacuum leak in the main air inlet bit that I'm aware of, but maybe Robgil has so please don't rule it out.