Why doesn't my house have its own listing?

[fallschirmjager]

Looking on the English Heritage map my house which I am in the process of buying is not marked as a listed building, though it dates back to 1650.

I emailed English Heritage and they say it comes under curtilage of the main farmhouse nearby, although another barn which is in a dilapidated state on the same site which once belonged to the farm has its own listing. Would this be because my house it not listed on the land registry? I am in the process of getting this rectified.

So my question is; once my house is on the land registry will I be able to get it a listing of its own and if so how would I go about it?

The house is shown below.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-81605621.html?premiumA=true

Thanks for any replies.

 

[Abi Cott]

It is a listed building, by virtue of being in the curtilage of a listed building it is just the same as if it had a listing in its own right.

The difference with the barn is that it may have been owned by someone separate at the point at which the listing was created. Whereas your building was still owned by the occupiers of the main house.

 

[fallschirmjager]

Thank you for your reply.

The house doesn't show up on Historic England as a listed building. Is there any way of getting this rectified?

 

[fallschirmjager]

Reading the below from the Historic England website it looks like I won't be able to get the house listed as its not under threat.

To allow us to prioritise our strategic work, as defined in the Historic England Action Plan (HEAP), we will only be taking forward applications that fall into one of the following three categories:

1. Buildings or sites which are demonstrably under serious threat of demolition or major alteration

2. Buildings or sites that fall within an area which is a strategic priority under HEAP (e.g. war memorials, post-war public art etc), and which has been identified for designation follow-up

3. Buildings or sites which possess evident significance, and are obviously worthy of inclusion on the National Heritage List for England

We are therefore unlikely to process your application if the building or site is not currently under threat, so to help us make this judgement please provide as much information as possible below about the threat.

 

[Flyfisher]

Just threaten to demolish it unless they list it :wink:

 

[Gareth Hughes]

The point is, it is listed. Not some special category of listing, but listed, plain and (fairly) simple. And it doesn't need a separate list entry of its own for that to be the case.
The whole issue of curtilage listing is one of the biggest headaches in the system, and I don't see any great impetus to make it better since the resources involved would be huge (revisiting probably thousands of listed buildings and assessing everything standing the garden of each one) and Historic England repeatedly offloads its responsibilities in this regard onto local authorities, saying that defining curtilage is the LA's job, not theirs (even though listing is HE's job).

 

[fallschirmjager]

Thank you for clearing that up Gareth.

 

[george2019]

Do you want it to be listed? There are advantages for the building, but not many for the owner!

 

[fallschirmjager]

Do you want it to be listed? There are advantages for the building, but not many for the owner!

Yes George I do but apparently it cannot be listed unless there is a threat to the building. As it is, it comes under all the regulations of a listed building anyway though it's just not marked down with Historic England as a listed building but comes under curtilage.

 

[Bogart]

As mentioned before not sure why anyone would want their property listing if it is currently not.