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on the spot listing?
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Gareth Hughes
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robgil said:has anyone experienced spot listing? i didn't even know it existed until a few days ago.
My experience (as someone who's put things forward for listing on many occasions) is that the term "spot listing" creates an impression of speed and urgent efficiency on the part of English Heretics and the DCMS that is somewhat at odds with the reality.
Spot listing is any listing done outside of the thematic and regional listing survey programmes that EH (used to) do to advise the government's listing programme.
Recently updated guidance on getting a building listed (etc) is available here:
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.19800
and some more information here:
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.1373
cheers Gareth.
the reason i brought it up was because a friend told me he applied for planning permission for something and the planners or whoever it was involved listed the building 'on the spot' so to speak preventing him from doing anything without LBC and holding works up for quite some time.
being in a similar position i would really not want to be applying for permission for , say an oil tank in the garden and having the whole building listed prematurely as a result.
the reason i brought it up was because a friend told me he applied for planning permission for something and the planners or whoever it was involved listed the building 'on the spot' so to speak preventing him from doing anything without LBC and holding works up for quite some time.
being in a similar position i would really not want to be applying for permission for , say an oil tank in the garden and having the whole building listed prematurely as a result.
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Ah. You mean, I think, that the local authority served a Building Preservation Notice, which has the effect of temporarily "listing" the building for six months, during which EH must decide whether to recommend to DCMS that the building be listed or not.
It's not a much-used tool, as the local authority becomes liable to pay compensation if the owner can show loss and the notice is not confirmed by the building being listed, so in order to serve one, a responsible LA would need to satisfy itself that the building is of clear listable quality, and that the works being proposed would be such as to render it unlistable afterwards.
I think we've served one in the last ten years (subsequently confirmed, and in fact we already knew the Secretary of State was going to list the building in question, just hadn't got round to it, and we knew the owner was planning to carry out very extensive alterations and demolitions).
Without knowing the details of your friend's case I'd have said it was pretty rare for that to happen - though as I mentioned, I am a bit surprised - just judging from a couple of photos, which can hide a lot - that the cottage you have bought isn't listed.
It's not a much-used tool, as the local authority becomes liable to pay compensation if the owner can show loss and the notice is not confirmed by the building being listed, so in order to serve one, a responsible LA would need to satisfy itself that the building is of clear listable quality, and that the works being proposed would be such as to render it unlistable afterwards.
I think we've served one in the last ten years (subsequently confirmed, and in fact we already knew the Secretary of State was going to list the building in question, just hadn't got round to it, and we knew the owner was planning to carry out very extensive alterations and demolitions).
Without knowing the details of your friend's case I'd have said it was pretty rare for that to happen - though as I mentioned, I am a bit surprised - just judging from a couple of photos, which can hide a lot - that the cottage you have bought isn't listed.
my friend was doing some substantial works on the house both on and off the record so it is sounding more likely now that this is the reason for the preservation notice.
i too am very surprised that my house hasn't been listed , as soon as we get the keys Gareth perhaps you should take a closer look? a lot of the original fabric of the house is still there although some 30 years ago , according to the locals it had a lot of 'restoration' work done to it , badly i might add. around 50% of the original lath and plaster ceilings are gone in favour for fibre board , at least 75% of the original wide board floor boards upstairs are gone , replaced by modern thinner boards but even with all this its still in relatively good original shape , the timber frame for instance looks to be in good , original shape although this is seeing it through my 'untrained' eyes so it could be that there is very little left of it in reality.
i too am very surprised that my house hasn't been listed , as soon as we get the keys Gareth perhaps you should take a closer look? a lot of the original fabric of the house is still there although some 30 years ago , according to the locals it had a lot of 'restoration' work done to it , badly i might add. around 50% of the original lath and plaster ceilings are gone in favour for fibre board , at least 75% of the original wide board floor boards upstairs are gone , replaced by modern thinner boards but even with all this its still in relatively good original shape , the timber frame for instance looks to be in good , original shape although this is seeing it through my 'untrained' eyes so it could be that there is very little left of it in reality.