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johnandrew
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I don't really know the answer to this but it has happened near me in Todmorden. The Abraham Omerod Medical Centre* is unlisted but within the conservation area. It has been empty for many years and conservation area consent has now been granted for it to be demolished to make way for a car park for a new Netto store. It took a while to get consent - there was a campaign to save it and English Heritage were asked if they would list it (they said, no) but eventually consent was given.
*Harold Shipman was a GP there in the 1970s.
*Harold Shipman was a GP there in the 1970s.
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The rules say that you must get permission to demolish in a conservation area, which implies that it is possible to get permission. I think it depends very much on the local authority and their policies, so the answer could well vary according to where the building is. Also they may/should have a conservation plan, so it depends on what that says about the area concerned.
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My house is unlisted but very old and in a conservation area near St Albans. Before I bought it a prospective buyer applied to demolish it and was refused. I have found that one part of the house, a side annexe - is beyond repair - nothing really worth saving (although this could be said to be a matter of opinion?) - and I have applied to demolish it and rebuild in exactly the same outline and the same appearance. Decision was due today but no news - I may be able to let you know in a day or two.
But generally I would imagine it would be totally up to the whims of your local Planning & Conservation Department and depend on the significance of the building to the character of the local area.
But generally I would imagine it would be totally up to the whims of your local Planning & Conservation Department and depend on the significance of the building to the character of the local area.
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The Robin Hood hotel in newark which is grade two listed and on the buildings at risk reg falls within an area in which a new asda store is being built,planning was granted on condidion that the range of old cottages that made up the hotel was included in the scheme but now work is well under way an application to demolish them as they are" beyond economical repair"has been lodged, There have been petitions and letters in the local press complaining but an article in the newark advertiser states that permission is likley to be granted.We have a "morrisons" and a "waitrose" plus "aldi" "netto" etc so really need another supermarket! phil.
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Surely the difficulty is with the phrase "beyond economical repair"?
What's that old saying about knowing the cost of everything but the value of nothing?
What's that old saying about knowing the cost of everything but the value of nothing?
I suppose one mans beyond economical repair is another mans labour of love.
Ive just been reading about listed building being burned down and was wondering if this is why people (supposedly) burn their own houses down.
I cant remember where I read it now as it was last night but I think it was in Hackney where large period buildings were having planning applications submitted for demolition then surprisingly burned down through arson attacks.
This then paved the way for developers to develop the area.
I was just surprised no one asked questions on such a blatant and successful attempt to get rid of a listed or conservation area building.
Ive just been reading about listed building being burned down and was wondering if this is why people (supposedly) burn their own houses down.
I cant remember where I read it now as it was last night but I think it was in Hackney where large period buildings were having planning applications submitted for demolition then surprisingly burned down through arson attacks.
This then paved the way for developers to develop the area.
I was just surprised no one asked questions on such a blatant and successful attempt to get rid of a listed or conservation area building.
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To be fair, it would be up to their interpretation of the legislation. I am pretty sure there is also an appeals process, which probably takes it out of the hands of the local Planners.Zebra said:
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robgil said:
There are obviously cases of arson that are just random acts of vandalism, and others that are probably not random at all, but the resources needed to investigate and the level of proof needed are likely beyond what is available. Hackney can't even protect it's vulnerable children so expecting much in the way of effort on the buildings is just wishful thinking.
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It must be pretty easy to engineer a "genuine" arson attack if you want one. Just putting up a builders fence, boarding up the windows, and displaying a Keep Out notice should do the trick.
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Flyfisher said:
Oscar Wilde said:
I suspect you're remembering the Gibbons department store near Hackney Central Station which burned down in 2003?robgil said:
We lived near by and used the Earl Amhurst pub which was part of the building. The old shop had been running down for years and was in a pretty terrible state of repair internally - most of it was shut off and it basically sold an odd arrangement of cheap furniture. When we ventured in there I remember remarking on the smell of death about the place. It felt deliberate, there was no reason the store couldn't have done better and certainly the building would have been a prime candidate for a residential conversion.
The flat we had in a school conversion up the road had doubled in value in less than 2 years between 1998 and 2000. There was a great deal of suspicion about the fire that gutted the shop and the pub and lead to the demolition of both but I don't know if anything was actually proved. Considering the site backs onto a station on the north london link - which gets you to Olympic site and Stratford and is 10 minutes by overland rail to Liverpool street from Hackney Downs a few hundred yards down the road you really would have thought they'd have done something with it by now. If the fire was deliberate it's hard to see that they profited by it, but certainly that bit of Hackney lost a lovely building.
The original shop is in the background of this picture from the 1960's but was much larger and more impressive than this suggests
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59082098@N05/5507449777/
This shows the frontage remaining after the fire
http://www.flickr.com/photos/philgyford/1495965/
This shows the scale of the site they destroyed and cleared
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/287827
A google maps search shows the site still hasn't been redeveloped it's just a rough looking car park.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hackney+central+station&aq=&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=19.018271,39.506836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hackney+Central&ll=51.547333,-0.056003&spn=0.000612,0.001206&t=h&z=20